Firestone Roleplay is Flawed

First of all, thank you for responding. Now onto the fun part.

I am not the problem here, I am sure you misunderstood my message. As I said many times before, I really enjoyed roleplaying before V2 was released, it was the thing that initially attracted me to Firestone, so I would happily go back to pre-release V2 quality of roleplay. All the people roleplaying MVAs and stuff, that was so cool. But this is not what Firestone is anymore, and all the people who keep pretending it is are just lying to themself and others around them and only contribute to the problem by not acknowledging it. Saying that Firestone is still a roleplay state is like saying that you like blue while haveing only red clothes.

I know, that the FRP guide was made to prevent toxicity ingame, but that’s exactly my point that it does so ineffectively, it only prevents some actions, a lot of things are not regulated and enforced, nobody requires you to uphold some level of quality roleplay, as I said, the FRP guide is rather game rules, than roleplay rules. But even then, it does not guarantee 100% punishments for violating it unless you are “lucky”. I am aware of what metagaming is, when I said that the FRP guide uses fancy words, I meant that FRP guide does not cover a lot of actual roleplay aspects, when, as I said, a lot of roleplay aspects do not work without eachother. However I must actually point out that metagaming is one of the good things in the FRP guide, don’t take me wrong.

I don’t find much enjoyment in enforcing the law, otherwise I’d just join FSP or SCSO, I do find enjoyment in roleplay, but it is mostly not present in Firestone, so I have to find enjoyment in something else and that is catching criminals. I am 99% sure that most of CRT would agree with me on this. The problem, however, is that there are 2 ways. Either Firestone is a game like Mayflower, focused on gameplay, catching criminals, stuff like that, or Firestone is a roleplay game, like it pretends to be, where you get fun from roleplaying situations and interacting with other people, but then there is not enough focus on roleplay like it should be. And Firestone is stuck in the middle of either ways and can’t decide which one is it, which prevents good roleplay and prevents good game experience as well.

Before I say anything, I have to point out, that I do have enough experience in being an administrator of roleplay and not roleplay games. First of all, moderators are indeed players of the game, nobody prevents or should prevent them from playing it, however the duty of being an admin or a mod is that you have to do both at the same time. If you are afraid of giving mods more tools because you are afraid of abuse, then I guess it means that the standards for being a mod should rise in such situations, hm? And if you want mods to enforce roleplay rules, then they should be fit to do so, not just people with :ban commands. Without administration roleplay enforcement is not possible, I think you understand that, so if mods will not have necessary tools to enforce roleplay rules, then they won’t be enforced, makes sense, doesn’t it? Mods do not have any constant flow of information that would allow them to enforce the rules around the whole map, not just around the bus stop they are standing at, live chat and action logs are things that provide that flow of information, they also allow mods to gather proof of rule violations by themself, instead of having to rely on people to send them proof all the time, which is wrong. As well, mods do not have any consistent presence in the game, which again causes disorder, because in order to get somebody punished you have to wait for a mod to get online and manage to get proof of somebody violating the rules, which is not that easy for most of the people. If you have a massive community like Firestone has, then you must have efficient mods, otherwise it just won’t work, you can’t deny that.

I 100% agree with you here, V2 should’ve stayed in paid access. However, I think that having a whitelist, that would allow for filtering out incompetent people is basically the same, except without involving any robux in this.

Let me correct myself. Using /me’s EXCESSIVELY and making them MANDATORY is retarded, not their usage itself. Usage of /me’s themself is actually indeed very important for high quality roleplay, I agree with you on that, but it should not be too excessive or mandatory and replacing such things with gameplay abilities and tools instead is a thing that I really really support and is one of the reasons I have high hopes for V3. Roleplay is not just all about /me’s, it’s about how you play the game, might as well just play a text roleplay game instead then. Regarding me, that is an unreasonable assumption, that I do not understand the quality of roleplay, I can guarantee you, that I can provide better roleplay than most of people in Firestone. If I would not have any experience in roleplay games and stuff like that, I would not write this post in the first place. There is nothing bad in wanting to use your tools without having to do things like -pulls out the gun-, -turns off safety-, -pulls back the bolt- and all that, again, could just play a text RP game instead then.

Incase anyone misunderstood, I want all the people here and especially you, Env, to understand, that I am not the one who is against roleplay, otherwise I would not join Firestone in the first place and especially I wouldn’t write this post at all, I just wouldn’t care. I am for roleplaying, and I want Firestone to become what it was before V2 became paid. What I wanted to say by this post, is that Firestone became less roleplay and more of a vanilla GTA Online experience, a constant argument of “who frped first” and blaming everyone around you for not roleplaying, and people fail to acknowledge that by pretending to still be roleplaying. I wrote this post because I wanted people to stop pretending and admit that this is an issue, and we all are here not roleplaying anymore, we are just pretending to, and I can easily show a lot of examples why is that true, and if we will keep pretending that everything is fine, then we will stay like that.

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pls make a tldr

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What Firestone needs to simply remember is, this is a game. Our primary goal should be to have fun. Sadly, Department HICOMM/DIVCOMM has ruined ‘fun’.

Firestone, if you have a job, feels like a chore. It is not really fun at all. People have to make LOGS for every time they get online, they have activity requirements, must attending x amount of trainings, etc. Even if they do not want or feel up to it, it’s sometimes ‘mandatory’. Forcing people to do things they don’t even want to. Just like an IRL job.

You can also EASILY lose your post cert, which, means you’ve basically wasted a lot of your life on a lego game for a minor mistake. A perfect example is scribelz, recently, his cert was revoked for making a doc meme and violating a few of doc’s ‘rules’ I guess. It was thankfully reinstated by the Governor or something like that, and it was revoked due to him committing crime. Point is, why the hell would you revoke a cert for making a doc meme? WHY was he even terminated from DOC? is it really that serious? Things are taken WAYY to serious on firestone. That is why so many cops act like a stick just got shoved up their butt, some are just douche bags, but some act that way because they need to.

And yes, I’m speaking from experience, as I’ve said MANY MANY times, I used to be in FNG, and hell, that was a chore. I had 0 amounts of fun. It was the most useless thing I could have EVER put my time into. So I did some stupid crap and got dishonorably discharged.

LEOS tend to take their anger out on us criminals whom they arrest. Making us react in a toxic manner, and the cycle continues. Yes, some citizens are toxic by default, but me personally, I became toxic towards leos due to them being toxic ALL of the time, that is why I evade so much, I do not mind sitting behind bars for 15 minutes, but I know when I get cuffed, especially after doing a shootout, cops will attack/harass me personally instead of in a roleplay manner.

Game moderators are toxic as hell. Let me tell you. I have NO IDEA who hired them, but they are the most toxic players in Firestone. Let me explain,

Firestone moderators are super abusive because they know they won’t be held accountable. TRUST ME, I’ve tried taking down a game moderator, that didn’t go too well. Moderators have abused me. For example, @iiPentagramz yesterday, me and my brother, for the first time, BOTH got on firestone, we bought some UZI’s from arbor field apartment. We were heading back to RW via farm roads when, I noticed the farm was on fire, So, I parked next to the farm, my brother got out and had a chat with the FD on scene, we decided to give him some roleplay since recently, a lot of criminals have been shooting FD which I find really stupid, No point in shooting FD, anyways, my brother told the firefighter I was injured, he told my brother to go back to the car, and once he finishes clearing the fire, he will be right with us. I then see my brother vanish, I look at the logs, and it says ‘My bro was kicked from the game by iiPentagramz’. So now I’m mad as hell, my brother has NEVER played firestone, he spent 2.5k on a gun, I tell him it’s a decent game, and he gets kicked for no reason. I go to CD, and I find iiPentagramz, I confront him on the matter, and he said ‘he was obstructing FD’, I ask him how, he gets in the back of an SCSO unmarked unit and ignores me.

Another example, @ethan_playtime. If I remember correctly, he was patrolling as CRT, at CD. we get in a little argument, and he says ‘you know I can kick you right’, Yes, I was aware, how is that relevant to our argument? it’s a weird and stupid flex that he is a moderator, nobody cares.

@DestinedFailure, basically, I went into a bus with her, and I came up to a random girl on the bus and went, -slaps, ‘MAKE ME A SANDWICH’; Obviously having a little fun with her, I even did it to several males calling them ‘females’. I was kicked by PinkFlamingos. Now you might say,’ ThaT wAs SeXisT’ so? it’s all in fun. I once had a white guy come up to me in a pickup truck and say ‘hey boy, get in i want you to do some labor for me’ while making some other racist comments, a game mod was at CD, i took it all in fun and went along with it.

And finally, @xJvmma. Me and my friend, Shot up some people at CD, once XJvmma moved from her spawn, my friend killed her. She then kicked my friend. I asked her why, she told me he ‘spawn killed’ now, I shut my mouth and went along with it because she was making threats to kick me as well, but he did not spawn kill her, you can’t even spawn kill anymore, people are in god mode when they spawn, they have to MOVE, and once they MOVE, they are killable, so how was that spawn killing? it was not.

My point is, even game moderators, the people who we TRUST to enforce FRP/ANTI EXPLOITING and trusted members of the community are TOXIC, so who can we trust?

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I agree with you, but I have to specify, that mostly LEOs are acting toxic to criminals because most of the time criminals are just annoying as hell. As you said, the game is all about having fun, but most of criminals don’t bring fun at all, they are just annoying as fuck, they don’t make you want to roleplay with them or anything, they just make you want to get rid of them as fast as possible.

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tldr: Firestone is not roleplay anymore, and won’t be roleplay until frp guide is fixed, mods get normal tools, /me’s are replaced with actual gameplay tools/ui and people stop pretending to be roleplaying and admit that they aren’t.

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We need more active GAME mods, we need a whitelist system that you must be in the group, and we need to set up a system where if a person is FRPing, get proof, put it in a google forum, and get them warned/banned. I say no more tolerating FPR, we need to become a RP state again.

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Wdym more game mods? Pink is on 24/7 and Jemma is on at night and cranky is on on the morning as well AND BEAR WE HAVE 3 MODS IN THE MORNING ON AT THE SAME TIME. Kora is on in the evening and pent as well. Also airplane is always waiting for calls and when he gets a call he comes Ummm we aren’t low on game mods. Most of the time people who give proof barely have a reasonable evidence. Moderators can’t change people

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how the FUCK do you expect us to make you have fun when you yourselves cannot roleplay anything such as hostage situations without gassing the entire building. If you really think the roleplay in FS is flawed, stop making it even more flawed by FRPing every little thing you do.

Everything that we suggest for criminals is always shunned down upon. We suggest simplistic things like a ATM robbery. It gets added, we start to enjoy it and then CRT starts to come flying and cuffrushes us, we attempt to rob the bank, we get gassed, we attempt to have a hostage situation, we get gassed and killed. WE HAVE LITERALLY GONE BROKE. WE HAVE NO MONEY DUE TO US JUST BEING FRPED ON, EITHER BY OUR VEHICLES BEING DISABLED AS WE AREN’T DRIVING, OR WE GET BATONED OUT AT HIGH SPEEDS (80SPS+) We’re literally done with this bullshit, its getting annoying and repetitive. ALL WE CAN DO IS DRIVE IN CIRCLES, AND RUN OVER PEOPLE, OR SIT AT CD THE ENTIRE TIME. WE CANNOT HAVE A SIMPLE FEW MINUTES OF ROLEPLAYING WITHOUT A OFFICER LITERALLY RUINING EVERYTHING. YOU STOP AFTER BEING PURSUED? YOU GET RAMMED AT THE TIRES SO YOUR VEHICLE BECOMES DISABLED. YOU TOUCH A OFFICER WITH YOUR CAR EVERY SLIGHTLY? YOU GET OBLITERATED, KILLED, AND ARRESTED FOR MAXIMUM TIME.

WHAT DO YOU WANT US TO FUCKING DO??

and how about the CRT members using lagswitch?

when confronted with this evidence, their response is “you’re just bad”, or “you cant drive” or anything along those lines.

can we also know why CRT is ALWAYS in redwood?
cri·sis

/ˈkrīsis/

noun

  1. a time of intense difficulty, trouble, or danger.

how is someone who is doing donuts enough to trigger the CRISIS RESPONSE TEAM

how is that relevant to this post you may ask? CRT IS ALWAYS IN REDWOOD, AND CRT IS OVERPOWERED AS FUCK. how do you expect us to COMMIT CRIMES WHEN WE GET KILLED AND CUFFRUSHES ASAP (this is just an example of what happens) image
we just get cuffed, no head start, no ability to run away, straightup waiting for us to get out of forcefield to arrest us.

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SO FUCKING TRUE.

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At this point lets just repurpose CRT as a non tactical unit because everything they do is what normal LEOs do. there is nothing special about them

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notice how theres no citation amounts on any of the criminal offenses anymore

:flushed:

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Thanks

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Regarding what you said about the case with your brother at the farm: There was an active fire (the barn was on fire) and your brother, after chatting with the Deputy Chief a little, asked him for money. Your brother asked the guy who was fighting the fire for money. Now that’s just obstructing him unnecessarily. I get it if there was a person injured and he was alerting the Deputy Chief, but asking for money? Really?

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I would say something regarding what you said, and I do actually have something to say, but I’ll just say

thanks for the compliment

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So would you rather CRT say -throws CS gas into window- instead of throwing it and clearing you guys out? Personally I think tactical units in FS are all idiots but based on what you say, it seems that they are only doing the best they can with the tools presented to them.

are you only saying that because they were mean to you

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Whats wrong kids? The big bad bullies beat you up so you are trying to get the teachers to make them not big bad bullies? Im afraid to say, CRT and SWAT are doing the jobs they where designed to do, maybe you should just be better criminals

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Sir,

Do you understand that criminals FRP too? Not just LEOs.

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