Not in my state. The State Police, County, and Municipal agencies are only governed by law and their respective controlling bodies (city council, county board, etc.)
My state police superintendent is deputy secretary of the Department of Public Safety and CorrectionsâLouisiana. So, that actually would be applicable, good point.
What good would come from DHS being under DPS? All reasonable regulations set by DPS are still followed my DHS, Iâm almost 100% certain that all of DHS that Male an arrest follow LOVID since they have basically no choice due to the arrest GUI and even if we did most of us would still use it anyway as we agree. Another note is why would DHS want to be under DPS? DHS already has its own internal affairs that investigate and conclude investigations a hell of a lot more efficiently and effectively compared to what DHS would be able to as our IA is able to view all the information regarding it and not get tied in classified information; and yes even FPS do have to see classified information. What good could possibly come from DPS? And by that I mean something that would change for better compared to what we are already doing
The good would only be for DPS, they would feel like they got a whole specialized agency at their disposal, they would be more than happy to force the entire DPS into our discord, and they would defiantly be more than happy to demmand acess to the CPTL channel, so I donât know what could improve from us being under DPS, we operate efficiently already.
Thatâs not the point. I think fergie wants DHS to become a Child department within DPS due to the fact that the members define it as a LEA but, DPS should be the parent of all LEA departments. It could very well be another DoC case, Iâm not picking a side just trying to stay neutral.
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I think the issue comes from the definition of State and Federal entities. The United States doesnât require States to have their own Departments of Homeland Security, because there is always Federal oversight from the DHS. The State of Firestone is an independent entity that operates independently. In some respects you could see the State of Firestone as an entity reminiscent of a country as the State operates independently.
if so, then we need an economy, more land space, and also a state budget.
if dhs not federal why they got federal protective service
except Iâm in their discord and said that
For what DHS deals with from the stand point of the Governor, it doesnât need to be under DPS nor should be.
And personally Firestone isnât like for example, Mayflower (correct me if I am wrong because I do not know a lot about that part of Mayflower this is what I heard) where it adapts the laws from the Nation the State is under (United States). Firestone is much more independent then (for example) a State under the United States and doesnât adapt laws from a Nation.
@fergie idk what your on today But DPS canât even handle fucking their own department issues adding DHS which has never publicly had issues would be a waste of our resources and destroys DHS. it was litterly 3 months ago people were asking for dps to be abolished now this fuck that. DHS has and always been good at what it does and DPS has no business in itâs affiars
You talk about independence from a greater law, yet Firestone (correct me if Iâm wrong) has laws that make all departments under DPS?
Personally Iâm gonna stand neutral and argue both sides since thatâs fun and I have the ability to.
1: DHS is viewed as and is, one of the most effective and best Departments in Firestone, cause it is. On the other hand FSP and SCSO arenât viewed as the same. I think theyâre good but not as good as DHS. When we compare them, what are the main differences. Well SP and SO patrol and HS donât always âpatrolâ to the same extent. HS deals with classified info and the others donât, at all. The biggest one to people who donât know what DHS do is SP and SO are under DPS and HS isnât. That could contribute.
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Another thing is that DHS is an LEO Department imo. They require POST very and POST trains LEOs if DHS isnât an LEO dept they shouldnât require POST cert. DPS regulates LEO Departments.
They Say DHS doesnât patrol but how about when the County Gov was shut down? DHS says that FPS would Assist In Redwood, I think Thatâs patrolling if Iâm not mistaken. There wasnât any riots or anything. The Federal Protection Service? What is considered Federal? I donât believe there is any law defining Federal and Federal is National Goverment if Iâm correct. So they have nothing to protect
As many other DHS staff stated, we already follow most of the DPS policies out of agreement with them, Itâs not like we are out of control and barely functioning, some DPS officials even agree that we shouldnât be under them.
Look, why does DHS need to be under DPS? Just because we are Law Enforcement, or just because you donât like DHS? Bad reason. We have our own internal affairs that are dealing with any problems unbiased, fast and all that. Getting DHS under DPS is useless, just tell me, why do we need to be under DPS?
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Oh, and let me add one more thing. Just a question back to you. Did you actually, on purpose, look any details in the laws about DHS and DPS just to write this post? No idea why you donât like DHS that bad.
Also, letâs see. You are looking at the details in the laws that donât really prove anything. At the same time, looks like you canât spot even obvious statements that do not even require a search or just ignore them. As, for example, let me remind you Section VII of Firestone constitution, that says
âThe owner, Founder(s), and Developer(s) of the State of Firestone shall carry no legitimate authority or power to make general decisions nor interfere in the political or legal matters of the State of Firestone, unless they hold another position that legally grants them the authority to do so.â
I am talking about developers (Not talking about the founder, it is not the matter in that topic) interfering with legitimate department operations, for example removing cuffs from MP that heavily obstructed FNG operations.
Also, referring to your previous topic âWhat is a department.â where you also looked into the laws and stuff. Let me note, that SWAT is not defined by law, while Special Forces and Coast Guard are defined by law, yet you, for some reason, is blaming both SF and CG. At the same time you stated that SWAT was put on a higher priority list than CRT for some reason, yet CRT is in FDHS group, that is defined by law, while SWAT has itâs own group, and itâs not defined by law.
So, my question is⌠Mind explaining your clear bias towards DHS and FNG?
Iâm just going to clear some things up:
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The founder(s) and developers of this state are not ultimately bound to the Constitution or laws of this state, if they were, all the roads they built and all the traffic signals/signs they put up would be illegal, et cetera. Also, that section of the Constitution wouldnât even apply to their decision to remove the cuffs because we canât essentially tell them what to do in their developmental aspirations and that section has to do with government operations.
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A subdivision does not have to ultimately be defined by law unless they actually have a full-on purpose that would require that subdivision to be defined by law because of their duties. All in all, county departmentsâ subdivisions donât necessarily have to be defined by law because their duties wouldnât be as broad.
I agree with the first, but not with the last. In the last, it is false, because removing cuffs from MP for SF using them is interfering with FNG operations.
I am answering to fergie where he said âwhy are CRT, SF, CG are not defined by lawâ.