V2 is biased

Good morning y’all, you may be wondering why you think v2 is biased. Well I will explain and it’s a no brainer to us all but the game is heavily favored for criminals to the point where even us in the law enforcement community have been tired of it because well we do not have as much as an advantage to being a cop. Let me explain why,

It takes roughly 1.5 months to be a cop - Yes I can confirm this statement and here’s why. It takes a month for new cadets to be certified to even be cops but you cannot blame that because they need to be taught how to be an effective cop (which I can argue half the stuff that’s taught is ineffective in v2 as a patrol officer). Once the individual completes POST with the tiers and exams, they gotta apply for a department and take another training, exam, and even a field patrol which should make sense because well realism.

There’s a lot to lose as a cop - As a cop, you tend to obey the laws and enforce them. However if you mess up, you can get fired or lose your certification which will prevent the likelihood of you becoming a cop in the future or even go to one of the better law enforcement departments.

Law enforcement has slow cars - self explanatory but if y’all don’t understand, normal vehicles go 110 SPS while criminal vehicles go 130 SPS. Yes we have helicopters but when it comes to rainy weather, it makes it difficult for ASU to locate the suspect (FAA or ASU can correct me on this but they’d have to land as well in that weather). We might have spikes to help aid that but they don’t work 100% of the time and only go so far which makes it where SCSO and FSP has to find spots that are practical to deploy spikes.

Radio - Before I get people saying “well you got the radio” I will just say that half the time no one focuses on the radio when driving. Adding on, most crims have a scanner so it’s more of a risk for law enforcement to state things without the risk of being shot when at a scene.

Guns - y’all know where I’m gonna go with this. Patrol units all have semi automatics which do next to nothing with users shooting with an AK, nonetheless a Deagle. Ye we got a tactical team but there are moments where even SWAT has a hard time taking out criminals because they hop as much as the Easter Rabbit. We got FNG as well but it’s very limited to even call us out and with the recent ruling by the Governor himself, we can only respond for very specific reasons.

Game rules - there’s been a lot of game ruling for cops over certain things which should be common sense. However there haven’t been any new rulings for the criminal side of things.

Updates - There are no LEO updates to help us as cops but majority of updates have favored criminals more.

Now let’s see what criminals have so y’all can get a decently better understanding from a cop’s side of things.

Cars - criminals use at least a demon and at most a mcmaren. Back before the fastest car was a demon, it was the SRT which wasn’t as bad because they go 10 SPS faster (now we go as fast as them for perspective). Adding on, it gives no cops a point to chase because at the end of the day, the suspect gets away. Even at a traffic stop, the criminal will flee and will be long gone by the time you’re at gear 11. Sure I can understand the money problem but I’ll get to that in a bit.

Bail - Criminals can get out with bail almost as soon as they land in jail so what’s the point in having DOC other than being meatshields for raiders who even normal officers can’t fend off due to policies and other restrictions from using an automatic. Sure I’ll get the counter claim that prisoners get no officers but from my experience, usually there’s one officer on which would make it reasonably difficult to protect the prison if that same officer is also tending to an inmate.

Crims do not have a lot to lose - Before I get an army of angry comments saying y’all lose your guns, lemme remind y’all in the criminal community that you can access Rage to store your guns (a lot of experienced ones do anyway). However if y’all get in trouble, the worst you get is 15 minutes in prison maximum (or just bail). Might I remind you that once you’re out, you can continue what you’ve been doing. Sure you may lose money when you die but y’all have a source of income that’s bigger than what us as cops could make in an hour.

Income - Y’all have access to rob practically anywhere and make a handsome amount of money. Sure there’s gotta be a certain amount of cops to be on to access certain things but once the server is active, these locations are easy to rob. So if you die, you can go back to robbing (i understand you need tools but if you’re smart enough, you can store them as well to my knowledge).

Communication - I understand y’all do not have a radio but you got a scanner which comes in handy if you were to find out where the cop is enroute to. Mind you, y’all as crims can get into a vc and have everything planned out which I will commend because as frustrating as it can get with a convoy of demons ready to ambush a cop with your aks, it’s interesting to see it play out.

Accessibility - Y’all have convenient locations for dealers, however most of y’all got skull island. Majority of you have boats as well which is something that law enforcement lacks unless if you go MD, CG, or parks. Even just recently you got a vantage point where you can get to skull quicker.

Pursuits - From my experience, most pursuits tend to involve a secondary car so when the suspect escapes on foot, his friend can unlock the car so they can make their escape. Now I remember that this was FRP in 2020 but usually criminals get away with it in today’s time. It’s frustrating yes but that’s the type of thing us cops have to deal with. It also doesn’t help that night in v2 is 90% present so it makes it easier for criminals to go in all black vehicles without headlights and make their escape.

Alts - Well, this is both a blessing and a curse. Personally I’ve never used a crime alt because I just find being a cop to be fun and all that. However one thing that alts can do is for a leo to send money to the crime alt making it so the alt can have the resources to become a criminal. Now if caught, the cop can get charged but let’s be real here. Unless if you are an idiot, there is no way to prove that your legal main sent money to the criminal alt and vice versa.

Newer criminals - So before I conclude, I will highlight this because it’s something to consider as well. These guys tend to come in with little money so tools can be hard, which I understand are easy bait for cops to make an arrest. However if they get the right friends, they can be just as successful and the cycle continues.

Now I have accumulated the majority of stuff I’ve seen which I find frustrating (and can be understandable from a law enforcement officer’s point of view). Am I suggesting that criminals should be more lenient with us because we have our disadvantages? Heck naw, it keeps the game engaging because well criminals wouldn’t have fun if they made it easy for us to get them. It’s a cops and robbers game for crying out loud! But from what I’ve seen lately, I thought it’d be appropriate to highlight how v2 is more biased to the criminals even if criminals tend to deny it.

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How do you recommend the game is changed to balance it MinecraftCaleb52

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There’s several things that can be done but not much can be done from a legislative standpoint. For instance, the FNG ruling i understand since we are a last resort for anything combat related and from what I could tell that was a fed thing. There could be some revisions on what departments like DOC can do but I’d have to check our policies first of course.

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What about developmentally

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here’s what I think:

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It takes roughly 1.5 months to be a cop

I guess but how would that create an advantage for crims in the game

There’s a lot to lose as a cop

Not really hard to mess up but admittingly some criminals are petty

Law enforcement has slow cars

True

Radio

Skill issue Use tac channels

Guns

True but everyone bunny hops

Game rules

Personally idk what new rules should be added to target crims

Updates

True I guess .

Cars

True

Bail

True

Crims do not have a lot to lose

Crims lose their time (they should value it…)

Income

True but see above

Communication

True, crims use scanners to plan their shenanigans (use tac channels whenever you can)

Accessibility

True

Pursuits

Personally I haven’t really seen crims coordinate a “secondary car” during a pursuit (more of a right place in the right time) but I’ll go by your word

Alts

See below

Newer criminals

I think with a bit of patience, newer crims can develop without the help of other crims. Crowbar is cheap, burglarize some houses and with a little luck you’ll be on your way

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This may not turn out to be the most coherent thing I’ve posted, but I’m willing to explain specific points further if you need to.

In other communities, it can take longer

Well yeah, criminals don’t typically follow the law. LEOs have to follow the law, if they didn’t then how would they be in the position they are?

LEOs do not necessarily need faster vehicles if they coordinate better with each other.

The FAA does not assist law enforcement in aviation operations. It’s made clear in our policies. ASU does not have to land unless they know where their job is ineffective.

Spikes do work, the only problem with them is desync - which is also a problem for using the rambar. Spikes need to be placed two or three car lengths away from a vehicle (travelling at 110 sps) to be effective. If you don’t use them right then of course they won’t work.

It’s not hard to use the radio whilst driving, if you can’t do both then I’m sorry you shouldn’t be in Law Enforcement in Firestone.

Out pf my control, consult Founders as to why patrol firearms aren’t good.

Not to name any departments, divisions or agencies - they like to abuse things within the game and it gets ruined for everyone. Not saying criminals do this either, but LEOs do it much more often.
There are also more mechanics which can be abused by LEOs, such as cuff-godding or using bulletproof vehicles as a shield. Irl you can shoot through a car - so why are LEO vehicles bulletproof?

Ok. What do you suggest should be added then? Theres not a lot to give you.

Not a lot I can say, consult Founders on this matter.

I agree, but it’s out of my control. This was done to gain additional funds - but if you enter the Roleplaying genre to make money, you’re an idiot tbh. You will need to consult the Founders for this to be changed.

Refer to my previous post on LEOs being law-abiding citizens, it’s a no-brainer.

In every game, crime typically earns you more in-game cash, this is a driving factor for being a criminal.
Typically in these games there are more risk v reward - this used to be the case until cops just give up on doing there job efficiently.

Radio Scanner only lets them read PRMY - if want your radio transmissions to be hidden, then swap to an alternative channel such as TAC1 or TAC2. Cops also have VCs they can use, you just don’t utilise them because communication among you all is at an all-time low. When I used to be an LEO, I would be in a voice call with my friends and we would have a high success rate on catching criminals because we coordinated.

There are specialised departments or divisions or a reason, that allows them to operate on the water. Giving all LEOs to boats makes this unbalanced. Criminals don’t need to go to Skull Island either, there are additional dealers around the map with lower prices & more weapons.

This was never FRP. You’re either misremembering or making it up. If you want to handle a second car, just desync it. More units will also help you in this case.

How alts were introduced is not something I agree with. Being completely unpunishable on your main account doesn’t bring the same factor to how it used to be before they were “allowed”. FBI struggles to investigate these gangs as they’re often acted on from their main account and use their alt account as an actor.

How it should be is that you can have a separate alt account, both for Discord and Roblox - if you are caught using your main accounts to communicate and you use your alt account to execute an action, you should be able to be prosecuted. This allows gangs to run, whilst also allowing the FBI to properly execute their job of investigating.

How is this a problem, I don’t quite understand…


What people don’t realise is that the game is balanced depending on the player count in v2. For example, in a smaller server (such as 20 people) you may have 3 or 4 cops (minimum) with a few money farmers, and other public services and give room for a few criminals. In this case, criminals typically have the upper hand on LEOs.
In a larger server (60-70 players), it becomes unbalanced for criminals as there will usually be a significant amount of LEOs that overwhelm criminals. I’ve seen completely dry servers because criminals know they’re going to get caught straight away if they commit a crime.
I’m not saying these two instances are the rule, but it’s typically what happens.

Another thing that unbalances the game is FNG being called out for petty instances, or even things such as “event security”. The role of the National Guard (I may be wrong and someone can correct me) is to be deployed during times of crisis, aside from assisting in medical events.
LEOs struggle to understand that if FNG is consistently called out, and it’s always the same people doing it, it kills the activity entirely. There’s no point in playing when a group of people can jump out of a car with a laser rifle to immediately kill you.

tldr; stop bitching everyone has problems.

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the only off feature abt v2 is the new vehicle entering script tbh- it makes batoning useless cause u got crims who can instantly get right back in each time before u have a chance to cuff or tase.

when this happens 1 of 2 things occur

  • either the criminal dies from being batoned too many times cause they kept instantly getting back in the car, and then he rushes to the dps complaint hub.

  • or you baton them, and as you go into cuff, they hold e to sit back down instantly but due to desync, you end up cuffrushing them from the seat, they cry, kick, scream, spam tag game mod role in fs discord, and you look like the bad guy and recieve a 3-7 day ban.

which scenario do you guys prefer

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honestly yea its way easier to talk over a radio then type, works pretty good on fivem.

then you’ll have the 13-14 year olds who’ll refuse to talk over a radio because their parent wont let them

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Show me a case of this happening

In 2020/21, it wasn’t uncommon to see LEOs in the “SC - PRMY” or “SC -TAC1” channels. I don’t know why people have stopped but since then LEO communication has been decreasing.

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cracks knuckles, back, jaw, and neck I think I got some good points to chew on.

this would benefit my point (which I forgot to show) which would be it takes longer to be a cop than it would be a crim which you can join and start crime right away.

This I also agree with since well you shouldn’t be a LEO if you’re going to disregard laws.

This can be more efficient if we had more “statewide” units on considering that we have plenty of local units on whenever the game gets active. Also one thing I would like to point out is if it’s rainy, night time, laggy, or all the above then well it’s a goose chase. We can place BOLOs sure but once we lose eyes again, well not much can be done.

Yeah I was hoping this would get looked at for better clarification. I appreciate that and generally I haven’t seen ASU on as much with rainy weather in pursuits which gives the crims more of an advantage.

The only thing is, what about a car as fast as a mcmaren which are virtually impossible to chase?

This and sits regardless. Yet unfortunately I have to wait 2-3 minutes and multiple requests later until what I need comes on.

how dare thou! Knowing them, they likely will not do anything about it (although I would encourage them to look over this forum, maybe this piece in particular).

Some of this stuff is common sense, otherwise well you shouldn’t be a cop if you’re going to just hide in your car and cower. However those I can understand because well I do not think how much we take some of those for granted.

Good question, this would be a founder type question but possibly buffing the ROF for the AR-15 to that of a glock. Maybe also different type of bullet proof vests where it adds a little bit of health (police grade would be lower than military grade obv). As much as it’ll be ironic of me to say this on this post but give crims bullet proof armor as well, it wouldn’t be as high as police grade but it’ll buff. I would probably seek the possibility of our cars getting x1 more gear but that’ll get declined because the criminals will cry how unfair it is. For funsies, we need DONUTS because man my coffee is getting bland while I’m stuck doing radar.

Yeah fair, it’ll probably get declined because “most of DOC sits at the gates” which is not true from my experience. CO II’s tend to handle more of the inmates with CO I’s. Yet MD and SERT mainly prioritizes the gates because we got automatics to fend off them fiends.

Well yeah that’s understandable, yet that’s also all the criminal does in today’s time. Gone are the days that they actually RP. Now it’s 95% fake hostage and ambush all at once and generally it never ends well with the only two SWAT units downed. Probably could find some better alternatives where RP has to be involved. I can discuss more later.

Yeah that’s fair, unfortunately it has to be announced because crims will know something is up if a cop randomly says “T1” or “T2” since not everyone checks the ERU to see who is on what channel. Also with the VC thing, that’s a good thing but uh it depends if there’s rules about that sort of thing with the user’s parents and whatnot.

Only downside is they have limits and there’s a couple that get on at a time. Adding on, people find the pager annoying. I was gonna suggest giving statewide LEOs boats but I see your point so I won’t go there. Skull was the only thing I thought of at the time of writing it since it’s also an obvious spot.

Dang it’s not? I remember it being was at some point because it got so bad.

Tbh the only people who liked the introduction to alts were those who wanted a crim alt in the first place. I myself refuse to have one because I do not need different personas and we all know who I am in the first place. Yet there are a couple who have sep alt accs for discord although I am not sure about roblox. I think if the alt thing was revised it would benefit from what you said (no duh).

With this point, it’d counterclaim if someone were to say “it’s hard being a crim because you do not have much as much as you would being a cop”

that can come in two ways. They either know they will be caught right away or know they can get away with it easily. It’s sometimes not until a half hour until they’re caught but not much can be done after the bolo was made if there was a pursuit on that crim prior. Now if we are talking about someone who is newer to the game and is starting as a crim then yeah I see from where that’s coming as well.

Yeah scrib ruled that out so we just gate guard which is fine because we really should be seen as a last resort if crime is beyond SWAT’s capability (and then you have patrol paging for SERT as if we can respond out of the island).

Not wrong, although I would think it would be cool if we were deployed if a natural disaster happens (as irl national guard would).

Only active FNG frfr. Although I can say people got mad when we were deployed for our previous wars but I mean you can’t keep everyone happy if it means seeing the boys doing their quota when we at war (I swear if we get Ridgeway 4…)

There was a reason why I made my post how it was just so people can take some of the pieces and either counter that or add on :joy:

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Good question, it takes longer to be a cop than it is to be a crim.

Not wrong about that, you either gotta try hard or make a mistake when you’re in a sit.

dang, appreciate the integrity and yes that is generally an issue we tend to worry about. It also kills the incentive for LEOs to do more than the bare minimum.

fr and true, but that itself is a hit or miss.

Unless if you want to die first you can bunny hop, but if you’re smart you can use cover. But even then you die.

This could come into play. Might I also add the old FRP rule to not climbing posts or lights have been overturned. It was made FRP because kora was known for just standing at the top of the CD light and there was no way to get her down. (I also believe you couldn’t tase.)

15 minutes to get something done, or they can bail out which yes cost robux but it’s a small amount.

Generally yeah makes sense but even announcing that channel would make a crim think something is up and well not everyone checks the ERU to see which channel those LEOs are in if done quietly.

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This is the biggest advantage LEOs have over criminals. Most criminals are by themselves or in a group of up to 3.

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v2 just isnt fun anymore like it used to be

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Slower vehicles is never an advantage. You can make the “coordinate better” argument but the second you lose eyes because the crim McMaren is going 40 sps faster than you, the pursuit is essentially over.

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And how many real criminals do we have?

Check areas you don’t normally check, that’s where criminals are usually hiding.

I think that’s something you should bring up with your command, if the ASU isn’t active then they’re not properly doing their job.

Then you place it earlier? I was giving you a general guideline… you adjust it accordingly.

Then act with the last known information you have. If someone hasn’t updated their location in 3 minutes it can mean 1 of 3 things.

  1. They don’t have an update
  2. They’re unable to communicate
  3. They’re being shouted at by their parents

You misremembered

I had a criminal alt before they were allowed, there was a thrill to concealing it but you don’t get that anymore since they’re allowed.

We don’t have natural disasters per see.

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If we are talking about well known ones, a couple. But if we are talking about lesser known crims, a fair amount for the amount of LEOs ingame.

If we’re lucky, they’re either roaming around or at res. Otherwise they probably off at skull but yeah good point.

fair point

Dang, caught in 4k

Not yet, although it would be cool to see something occasional like that like the meteor update.

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not reading all that

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