Okay, opinion time.
Uniformed Divisions should be handling perimeter, and perimeter ONLY. SWAT should be focusing on the tactical aspect. If SWAT thinks that they need more room to breath, or that the situation is escalating, the SWAT command should direct the perimeter to move back.
Essentially, SWAT takes command of tactics ALWAYS.
sub out swat for whatever tactical department is on scene and has superiority.
just stop arguing, this isnt going anywhere
most likely no one is going to take this thread into consideration
so let swat people just do their thing and take control
if you dont like it get out
Firestone is not the military, but hereās how the military runs.
Division authority is based upon usefulness in combat.
A medical corps officer with the rank of Colonel, for example, does not have actual combat authority, and cannot command units in the field.
This falls to the ranking infantry officers and noncommissioned officers, who are able to give and have orders executed.
However, in legal matters, such officers can be overpowered by even the lowest ranking military police officer.
In Firestoneās case, on scene of a tactical call, low > high > low tactical > high tactical.
Your rank does not determine whether or not you handle the situation, your position in a department and such expertise gained from that position does. Even a general cannot overrule the decision of a chief medical officer when it comes to their health and safety, or that of an entire company or battalion.
Ergo, the Captain of Community Relations of the SCSO cannot take scene command simply because of rank, scene command will remain with the highest appropriate unit, within which is the highest person within the SWAT/ CRT unit.
The Captain of Community Relations has the rank, but not the proper expertise, nor are they in the proper division to be able to call any shots.
Anybody who fails to realize this is absolutely stupid and shouldnāt be in any position of authority.
Iām aware of thatā¦ I was making a point about this argument.
This discussion is very misleading. In theory, yes tactical units take take command, but in practice, that is not how it works. A tactical situation is a whole operation. Its more than just ātactical units take commandā. No person or entity takes āfull controlā of the operation. When units arrive on scene, the highest ranking patrol officer takes control in making sure the scene is properly secured. Tactical units, on the other hand, call the shots in terms of what needs to be adjusted to make sure everyone is safe. A patrol supervisor isnāt gonna coordinate how the situation will be resolved; that is up to the tactical units on scene. At the same time, a SWAT Operative isnāt gonna command patrol units around; that isnāt his job. To sum up, nobody takes full control of a tactical situation. There are different aspects of a tactical situation which must be respected in order for it to be resolved safely and efficiently.
Ftlicious
CRT Captain
A uniformed officer handling a high risk situation never ends well.
No. It will not work. Sorry.
Not how it works in real life. Never in any place on this Earth does a uniformed Sergeant lead a fully-trained tact team.
Join SWAT and youāll know exactly how it works. Itās organized enough, just uniformed donāt listen to tact units.
As someone who has a combined almost 2 years of tactical experience in both SWAT and CRT, this will NEVER work and will only complicate a scene. Uniforms donāt listen to us as it is.
I would never let a supervisor outside my department tell me how to do my job, especially a uniformed supervisor outside of my department, we are trained differently, our duties and regulations are different, Iāll do my job and he does his.
idk if anyone said this already but there is no way in hell iām handing over incident command to a fsp sergeant or anyone outside my department there are different tactics we train upon and it makes no sense for a uniformed patrol supervisor to be commanding a high risk situation
this 10/10
If there was no tactical unit online, I can see why the highest ranking FSP or SCSO online take command. Though, if tactical units are on, they should ALWAYS take command, as they are trained for the certain events and know exactly what to do and how to manage it.
Excuse my French but fuck no. Supervisors are not tactically intelligent, hence why we have entire teams dedicated to situations which require tactical input. I can hardly rely on some sergeants to respond to my assistance calls let alone take command of high risk situations.
Also holy shit, I just re read the original post.
So do you quite literally suggest that a fucking FSP sergeant, with no tactical experience whatsoever and with less overall LEO experience than, for example a CRT Sergeant or an FNG fucking COLONEL, WOULD TAKE COMMAND OF THEM?
Can imagine FSP sergeant commanding an FNG Colonel and CRT commander. No thank you.
Id spin this the other way around.
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