because fedlaw is really bad sometimes.
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Yes, but we haven’t got any control over it so we have to deal with how it is and this is what Fed wants so DOH will never provide EMT certs and DOH staff do in fact need them since most of them are pre-hospital care providers.
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Well the county is because, the Stapleton County Fire Department is under the county, and the FFA is under SCFD, meaning technically it is a county academy.
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Clearly you know nothing about FFA
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DOH has FMA which teaches up to MD, not sure what you mean by this.
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Sure
How can someone that issues certifications not also have the authority to oversee them? That makes zero sense, they set the standard, its their responsibility to make sure that standard is met. DOH has set the standard and has given FFA the authority to oversee and ensure that standard is met. As said in an earlier forum post, DOH oversees all medical certifications, FFA just has the authority to certify and issue them.
This already exists, the Department of Health Supervisory Board which consists of;
The SCFD Chief
The SCFD Chief Paramedic
The FFA Director
The FFA Deputy Director
The DOH:EMS Director
The FMA Superintendent
The Secretary and Deputy Secretary of Health
(and others that I may be missing, though I believe I got them all)
A certification cannot be revoked without a majority vote from all of these members. THESE are the people that have set the standard that I’ve talked about. THESE are the people that set our scopes of practice and inform us of any updates. THESE are the people who launch incompetency investigations into individuals accused of medical malpractice. The board that you are calling for is already established.
On the firefighting side, I believe there’s a chat that included the FFA Director, Deputy Director, CTO of Firefighting, Chief and Deputy Chief of SCFD to talk about, approve and/or deny changes to the Firefighting curriculum. (I may be wrong here, dont quote me on this)
FHO is a private business with a license to issue by the Department of Health. FFA is a state department with a license to issue, 9th medical is a division with a license to issue, SCFD is a county department with a license to issue. All of these aforementioned departments/divisions MUST go through the Department of Health to have a certification issued to an individual, with FHO and FFA being the only 2 that actually utilize their license to issue certifications.
How can a standard for firefighting/ems be overseen if there’s nobody high enough to oversee it? This makes absolutely no sense. FFA has been working fine as it stands as a cabinet level position.
It’s perfectly realistic in the scope of Firestone.
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doh can ONLY tech EMT-I, CCEMTP, RN, NP, MD
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hey have you head of Firestone Department of Health - Roblox and the supervisory board there? anything to do with medical curriculum is voted on by them basically
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And firefighting just doesn’t exist right fuck their curriculum?
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That is exactly the problem and why I stated a board would be officially made to do such thing lol.
FFA is actually currently nothing you are the ones making it a “state department”.
If you don’t see the correlation that you made yourself then topkek.
DOH certified FFA to issue them. FFA didn’t certify themselves. If at anytime DOH decides to pull the plug then FFA is pretty much dead. Just needed to clarify that.
An academy is never the “standard” for firefighting/ems but merely a school to teach and push knowledge to users in which they would be applicable to join such divisions and departments.
You have a problem with the word realism there and the previous quoted users “realism”.
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boards exist, read the whole forum post. more specifically,
no, DOH has authorized FFA to certify. meaning FFA is an autonomous department that adheres to DOH guidelines for what is required to certify an individual, anything past certification is handled within DOH such as the aforementioned incompetency investigations, sop changes and certification revocations. FFA can do all of this alone, but to ensure that their power to isnt abused, they go through DOH.
then you have absolutely zero knowledge on firefighting/ems
FFA teaches more than any academy out there, more than enough to make sure every individual who graduates from their academy can succeed in whatever endeavor they choose within the State. all in 4 sessions. FFA is the standard for Firefighting / EMS, which is why, not sure if you know this, their curriculum is what we base incompetency off of. FFA is the minimum standard we expect every single individual who has any sort of firefighting/EMS certification to adhere to.
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You literally just transformed what I exactly said lol…
again FFA is not a standard, but again the literal only school/academy to give such certifications certified by the DOH for EMT.
Think you are having a big misunderstanding about the difference between who is the issuer and who is the certifier. It’s really about who has the original power of such certification. Which would be… DOH so DOH owns such license and they certified FFA to issue such license from their academy.
You are not wrong you are 100% right yes. But no point of this being brought up at all. The clear image here is there isn’t an official committee or board to manage such certifications of academy. because the DOH ITSELF cannot have full oversee over the academy and FFA specifically as one of its primary objective is firefighting.
I’d like to direct you to a previous comment made by the Director of FFA and my reply to such Allow FFA to be sued in the court - #38 by tow23er
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You cherry-picked a sentence from my entire paragraph on the matter.
You’re right, FFA is not a standard, they are the standard.
FFA is both, hence why any certification given by them is not called a “DOH EMT certification” and a, get this, Fire Academy Certification. They follow guidelines set forth by DOH.
Except there is, it’s laid out within the Health Act. As a congressperson talking on the matter of health and certifications, I’d expect you to do minimal research.
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Did not cherry-pick I just removed the useless glorification but if you want me to reference the whole paragraph.
Basically restating what I said
Useless details that just details FFA but still goes back to the point of it being a school.
kinda troll reply but ye nah it ain’t a standard bud.
then again you are missing the point of who is the issuer and the certifier? what are you on about kid lol…
youfirs state
then you say shit like
make up your goddamn mind
The act you have provided is meant for regulations and revoking of such certification not setting curriculum and what forth.
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pov: ffa doesnt exist legally. so nothing can be done lol
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You, a congressperson, with absolutely no experience within firestone ems/firefighting based on the lack of any certification found, are trying to lecture me, the operation captain of the only firefighting service in the state as to how my job is done. We, SCFD, hold our employees to a standard, do you want to know what that standard is, or can you take your best guess, here I’ll tell you, it’s FFA.
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@Samtella I’m just curious as to what experience you have with firefighting and EMS? Some of these people are IRL first responders or have been in fire department groups for years and have learned about IRL firefighting. I’m not trying to get involved but I’d just like to know your experience.
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Where is the lecture of me telling you how YOUR job is done exactly? quote such statements and we would talk about that.
Again they are a school the standard you are talking about is held by how SCFD handles its members
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this is one of the most autistic forums i have seen in like 2 weeks can someone lock this
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just because they are firefighters does not mean they have knowledge of hierarchy as proven previously in my statement Allow FFA to be sued in the court - #38 by tow23er. In these forum posts I had no comment on what is wrong with the curriculum or style of teaching but literally the hierarchy of FFA. I recommend you all re-reading it
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